I think the concept that there’s one person who’s gonna make you whole, this Gibran kind of thinking, is so detrimental. I don’t think it’s the other person’s responsibility to make you whole at all. It’s the other person’s responsibility to make you laugh, to give you a dance now and then, to read the newspaper and tell you about things you don’t have time to read about, to introduce you to music you don’t know, to tell you when you’re full of shit, to fight fair, to be good in bed, to say, “Come on, let’s go have an adventure” when you’ve become a little bit of a stick in the mud. But it’s not their job to make you whole, and until you are whole, I don’t think you can really enter into a relationship with somebody and have it work. The test for me of a great romantic relationship is how productive you are during the relationship.--Susan Sarandon, interviewed by Martha Frankel
I love that this quote is essentially in response to Sarandon answering "Yes" to considering herself a romantic. I had never considered one of the benchmarks of a healthy relationship being one's productivity, but I like and agree with this notion. It's another way of measuring how healthy you are---are you out there living and doing and being?
Conversely, if your relationship (be it familial, friendly, or romantic) is the source of all your mental energy, I think that's a bad sign. You shouldn't be spending all your time doing damage control, worrying, attending to, planning for, or evening thinking about just one person. Not only is it unhealthy for you and a doom for the relationship, but it's unfair to the other person and the relationship.
Nothing can be your everything. We have this strange idea/ideal of what our relationships are supposed to encompass. I think goes something like this:
- Completeness of the self through union
- Union must be of a sexual/romantic nature (friends are just a by-way on the road to finding The One, and can be tossed aside when objective is achieved)
- Union must be strictly one on one (monogamy only--which makes life a lot simpler, in many ways. But if we didn't focus so much on the sexuality of the relationship, then we could be fulfilled by many people. You know, like friends.)
- Union fulfills all possible emotional needs (minor exceptions made for having children, which is the other glorified idea/ideal we worship as sacred cow)
What a set up! You have to be not only my only thing, but my everything. You are responsible for meeting all my psychological, sociological, and physical desires. If you really do care for someone, how can you place such an unachievable expectation on them and then think it will work out? They will fail you, at some point, and you will both suffer for it.
In a related thought, and one I have trouble implementing, is this: your significant other is not your therapist. That's a tricky one, if your focus is on honesty and open communication. There's a line you have draw when it goes from talking to dumping.
The people we bring into our lives should be both our guests and our hosts. I'm not saying that you can't or shouldn't have a primary companion--but I am advocating giving serious consideration to how you go about setting that up. And I'm not trying to promote a free love/open marriage/whatever thing. That's part of my problem with the whole ideal---the fact that we focus so much on the sexual aspect makes us overlook the value of the emotion, affection and attention of everything from friends to family to pets.
I don't talk about this type of stuff much, because there's always a responding air of "the lady doth protest too much" or "you're just a bitter betty" or "it just hasn't happened for you" or "wow, you are one cynical sumbitch."
All of which miss my intention entirely. I'm not down on the concept of love. It's one of the better things humanity has managed to cook up for itself. The best might be music, but that's a whole other kettle of crawfish.
I think we deify love, we exalt it, we pay it lip service, but we don't do it in the way of it. We don't help it out. We don't give it much thought. We expect it to happen, and get pissed when it doesn't happen exactly like we want it to. We narrow our definitions, and worse, we try to police how other people express their sense of the emotion.
We talk about love as a beautiful flowering plant, then when we get it, we stick it on the shelf and forget about it. Then we have the audacity to be angry when it dies. We treat it like an acquisition that, once obtained, requires no further energy or action.
Jeez. I should really be out buying a chair to sit in or going to work out or something. In regular fashion, I've managed to take a decent wake up time and squander it's benefits. Oy.
Mmmm. Thank you for this. Loved the quote of Susan Sarandon. She is one intelligent lady. I try, but words often fail me. I need to read what you just wrote until it's committed to memory. I'm not in any kind of relationship right now because I couldn't seem to sort out what a successful one required. You just gave me a foundation. This ought to be required high school curriculum, along with the teachings of the "orgasm doctor". We'd have a lot of better adjusted adults on this planet. JMHO
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Sarandon does seem to be quite thoughtful--I hit a couple of interview with her in row there, and she presented a pretty consistent personality in all of them.
ReplyDeleteI'm glad you found something worthwhile in my tedious, endless mucking about--but take anything that comes out of my keyboard with about two pounds of salt. I'd pretty much consider myself a blanket failure in a lot of areas in my life. Me as a relationship expert makes about as much sense as a quadruple amputee as a trapeze instructor.
Or something like that.
I gotta say, as completely hackneyed and hokey and cliched as it may be, I really do believe you're not going to be happy/at peace with anyone else until you are in that head space *for* yourself. As a matter of fact, I believe there's at least a 50/50 chance of it not just working, but doing the reverse of what you want: making all your problems worse.
May I ask--do you really love orchids, or do you love E. Edward Grey? ;)
I promise not to make you my personal relationship counsellor LOL. But I'm always on the watch for something that triggers introspection, and between Ms. Sarandon's and your observations I have begun a new exploration beginning with the concept or expression of "being whole". I discussed this with a friend over coffee this morning and her take was that "whole" is an unrealistic term. We live lives of fragmentation, ie.I'm happy (whole)until I need something. If I can satisfy the need great, I'm back to happy or "whole", but if what I need is not available then I stay fragmented until I no longer need, how ever that comes about. One can go through that process continually, so one is never really "whole". Learning to be happy with where you are and what you are at any given time is the best one can aspire to. Not to say one should not have ambition or realistic goals, but don't feel bad about yourself before achievement.
ReplyDeleteOkay, I'll stop before you tell me to get my own blog space :-)
About the nom de plume I have never been good with keeping green things alive. A few years ago I won the centerpiece at a company event. It was a live orchid in full bloom. I discovered that it is happy being largely neglected, and has survived to bloom several times more. So I added other orchids and they are all in varying states of happy. So I love them. I encountered Mr. Grey well after acquireing the first plant. I am in the process of replicating the garden from Secretary as a happy home for the plants that are currently living in my kitchen window. The new location will give them the same light exposure and allow for adding new species. I want one of the white ladyslipper orchids like Alan Shore received from his assistant in an episode of Boston Legal.
BTW the list of "favorite" Spader films below was not mine. I'll get back to you with my top five.
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Posted top five to Dream Lover thread below.
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See, I always thought of orchids as delicate and fragile. I myself have a black thumb of death. It's interesting that you had such success with them.
ReplyDeleteIt must be really fulfilling too--they are so amazing looking. They don't even look real sometimes, like they are from another planet or someone's surreal painting.
The conversation with your friend about "wholeness" is interesting. There's always a lot of semantics involved in such discussion. I concur that life is a process.
Perhaps it's not really about being "whole" as it is with being "balanced." And by that I mean not that you are completely even and implacable, but that you have a sense of self and peace that you return to as your natural state. And hopefully your natural state is one peacefulness. Though it could be anxiety, or sadness. That's where the "healthy" part comes in, I guess.
Here I go--lost in the semantics again.
The idea of getting happy and then just walking around being happy---I don't what I think about that. Is it even possible? Should you even expect it? That sounds like a set up. It sounds much more reasonable to say you search for contentment, accepting the pockets of happiness as they come. But then again. . . .
There's another thought too, about happiness and wholeness and living your life, but I think I need to marinate on it. It's, in some ways, the polar opposite of what I've already said. But I think it holds some merit.
Okay, blah blah bah, I running off. Will respond to film/Spaderlicious comments in the appropriate thread.